He says that working as a freight train operator rather than spending his time in school has allowed him to pursue that passion. And maybe you have a better likelihood of accepting. He has lots of tattoos and no college degree and is known for illegal tree-planting projects. Larsen: Jesse's assignment was to cover Joey's search for a local plant called lophophora williamsii: otherwise known as peyote. Every time it feels like an apocalyptic story with this plant. So we shouldn't start trying to, we shouldn't, we shouldn't burn down the library before we understand what's in it, you know. Then there are people who got sucked in because of one of those viral videos. Basically he stole the scooter or somebody handed him the scooter and that's your intro to the whole video, which just seems like appropriate. All right. So they kind of enter this wormhole that's talking about a whole universe, of natural life. JASON HENRY And I, my friend's pilfered scooter. We're going to turn it to shit. And Jesse's with me. And I have no context for anything outside of it. When you speak to them in person that accent gets dialed way back down. by Joey Santore, a self-taught botanist and producer of Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't YouTube channel, which he describes as "a low-brow, crass approach to plant ecology as muttered by a misanthropic Chicago Italian.". It's everyone from dope growers to amateur science geeks to viewers who just stumbled onto his YouTube. Joey had always liked railroads. Larsen: Allow me to introduce you to Joey Santore. He has lots of tattoos and no college degree and is. Its like get a side hustle and then use it to fund your pursuit of knowledge in the world and be able to share that with others, he explains. Which brings us to a big question: If Joey can get thousands of people invested in the fate of a scraggly weed, what kind of impact can he have on science and conservation at large? Were gonna need this kind of awareness of ourselves in the world to be able to deal with it., Video 1: Santoree Youtube ChannelVideo 2: Interview. It's this squat plant. It's a giant a part of how I make my cash." Santore has a whole bunch [] Will: It's the oldest psychedelic substance known to man. But is now just kind of leftover. We're, we're keeping it civil. So I found this astronomy textbook and then was reading it on a train once. Like the most unofficial citizen scientist possibly you could think of is now one of the researchers,being noted on the, the government paper of record on this stuff. I try to always encourage people to download Wikipedia andiNaturalistonto their phones as a resource. Larsen: Riding the rails, he got an up-close tour of the geologic time scale exposed by railroad cuts: layers of rock dating back millennia. Maybe all this explains why his YouTube channel, Crime Pays But Botany Doesnt, has more than a quarter-million subscribers. This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity. He hasn't looked back ever since. He didnt grow up in a traditional way and has not had the traditional jobs that bring you into this field. Just enter the code pod25 at checkout. Looking back, she was really sick. Consider this your heads-up that there are going to be quite a few curse words in this episode. Milkweed is a favorite of many botanists because of its critical importance to the endangered monarch butterfly. Just imagining the possibilities of like planting something that would get bigger or, you know, dwarf your lifetime and your physical size. Maybe I should have just left her alone. Thats not true. Right. As a child, Santore took an interest in science early, visiting Chicagos Field Museum with his mother and propagating elm trees from seeds in their yard. I think it's kind of risky. First he delved into various sciences and then focused, increasingly, on botany. A Low-Brow, Crass Approach to Plant Ecology & Evolution as muttered by a Misanthropic Chicago Italian. Being, uh, important members of the natural ecosystem, you know, you don't want to see them, uh, get, get smacked. Santore has been throwing shade figuratively and literally in his adopted hometown since moving there in 2006. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our, Digital After hearing Joey talk about milkweed, I'm personally in the mood to go plant a whole shit ton of it maybe even in places where I'm not supposed to. Which is to say: sometimes what it takes to get us to give a shit about the natural world is a foul-mouthed amateur scientist. Of course. Hard to mistake the voice-overs blue-collar, lunch-bucket bawl for Sir David Attenborough when the speaker declares that planting treesgivers of oxygen, creators of atmospheremakes the turd of lifeeasier to swallow.. I've had everyone from teenagers to suburban dads tell me, Hey, I saw your page. In other words, as the ecosystems around us erode under humanity's touch, understanding the ways they fit together is more crucial than ever. A few years ago I wrote about the Chicago accent and its near total disappearance from TV and film, though you can still reliably hear it on the radio: WXRTs Marty Lennartz has been doing his Going to the Show with a Regular Guy movie reviews since 1984; like Santore, he has a Chicago accent but its not nearly as thick as the one he uses in character. Refreshingly Funny Ice Cream Man's Prank Video Is a Delicious Summer Treat. And, and when I talked to him on the phone, he's he's like, yeah, I know where some populations of that are, you know, I'm going to go look for some new ones. I bet a bunch of illegal tree planting. In his videos, Santore offers observations and advice on how to cultivate habitats in neglected urban areas, his narration veering from erudition (Over here you got some coast live oaks, Quercus agrifolia) to irreverence (Grew these bastards from seed). Joey took matters into his own hands and began slowly replacing the non-native, water-sucking ornamentals the city installed with an assortment of plants he grew himself from seed. A low-brow, crass approach to plant ecology as muttered by a misanthropic Chicago Italian. I'm a writer and photographer living in downtown Berkeley, California. You got your coryphantha, you know, and it all just coming up in the dappled light, the understory of, of the thorn scrub, which of course is getting cleared away at an increasing rate to make room for the fucking Panda express uh, tumor of modern society. And when its fur was wet, I realized how skinny this thing was. Things that were formerly bland to them become these organisms with their own evolutionary lineages. We're going to turn it to shit. I ended up bringing it to the house I was staying at about 15 miles away and called around for wildlife rescue and the nearest one was about a 2 hour drive south. Anyone who lives in Chicago knows that Tony Santoro is an actual person. But is now just kind of leftover. I guess why I talk like that is, one, I want to make the science communication more funny. And in particular, that pup being in thinner body condition and being possibly hungry, that wouldnt be unexpected to see it at different times of day or night, she explains. The soil type is different there, it's all really sandy. All right. The One Subscription to Fuel All Your Adventures. Over the course of 13 years with Union Pacific, he worked his way up to an engineer, reading about the latest updates in the field of botany whenever he could. Especially young, sick or injured wildlife. During an AFC wild-card . Theres unfortunately a sad ending to the story of a guy with a thick Chicago accent trying to rescue a struggling coyote pup. Trees are a side pursuit. I don't know why they got to keep grading the road, but you know, you give a man a machine and you tell him, go do this, give him a mower, give him a road grader. Thats cute, you think youre tough. I obviously don't talk like that in real life I got an accent, but I don't talk like that. Join Outside+ to get Outside magazine, access to exclusive content, 1,000s of training plans, and more. Got a tip? Per the sponsoring organization, a rendering of the Swedish teen as big as Washingtons face on Mount Rushmore is an effective way to honor and amplify a message of environmental stewardship for a warming planet. Larsen: Joey made "Guide to Illegal Tree Planting" when he was living in Oakland, California, where a project to enhance the extra-wide median of parkway left him a bit uninspired. The Landscape Architecture Podcast. So he decided that he'd see the U.S. by hopping freight trains. To see this whole thing being paraded around as a cute clickbait video kind of bummed me out. He's gonna, I'm sure he'll return it once he's done. Transcript. He is diversity. In real life, his lilt isnt nearly so exaggerated. Right. Riding the rails, he got an up-close tour of the geologic time scale exposed by railroad cuts: layers of rock dating back millennia. Nothing major, but a shovel takes two arms. And that's why he's lovingly bullying it out of the road, just like he did that rattlesnake. I just been planting trees, sometimes with permission, mostly without, uh, because the city I live in kind of dropped the ball so hard on their, uh, uh, public beautification efforts. By his own estimate, he has planted somewhere between 300 and 400 trees, mostly native and drought-tolerant oaks and cypresses, along medians and in parks. It's doing pretty good. But please dont bite me. We have since expanded our show and now offer a range of story formats, including interviews with the biggest figures in sports, adventure, and politics, as well as reports from our correspondents in the field. Using a stick that does not seem nearly long enough to me, Joey herds the snake out of harm's way as it flicks its tongue ominously, seeming to tolerate -- just barely -- this loud, swearing man trying to save it. I called them and they said they could take her and everything, but she had already passed away in the night. He's published 492 videos, and has over a quarter million subscribers But she was covered in fleas and ticks and mites and also had some nasal discharge. Find out where to go, what to eat, where to live, and more. Larsen: Off the clock, Joey began growing rare conifers from seed. I'm Joey Santore: a Connecticut-born, Brooklyn-living, nonprofit-working, cooking-loving, playlist-making, lucid-dreaming, karate-coaching, twenty-something. You got to get out of the road. We launched in March2016with our first series, Science of Survival, which was developed in partnership with PRX, distributors of the idolized This American Life and The Moth Radio Hour, among others. Santore: I kind of joke humans have like the king might've shit touch, you know, everywhere we go, even if the intent is good, there's enough of us. Santore: There's something to be said for keeping something like this around, you know, it's, it's a part of this, this interwoven fabric that supports it, supports the life that's been here for millions of years and is part of the bigger picture. countries. Larsen: But Joey doesn't see a weed. Soon, he was in deep. A knowledge of the relationships between living things and how we have all evolved to survive over time is a coping mechanism and a glimmer of hope in the age of increasingly dire predictions about the progress and effects of climate change. (Face-to-face, the 37-year-old Santore softens his accent to about 8.) I just been planting trees, sometimes with permission, mostly without, uh, because the city I live in kind of dropped the ball so hard on their, uh, uh, public beautification efforts. So I said, fuck it, I'm just gonna be who I am. Nother payote right there, doing that thing they do, just blendin' in with the gravels that have been deposited over the last, I don't know, 300,000 years by the, uh, meandering channel of the Rio Grand-ee. Then, in 2012, he officially appropriated space in the park for rare trees, including Baker, Tecate, Santa Cruz, and Guadalupe cypresses, along with lodgepole pines, coast (aka California) evergreen live oaks, and incense cedars. But it ends up just being a very minor part of the day, hunting down this peyote. So he decided that he'd see the U.S. by hopping freight trains. First in his backyard in Oakland, and then, as he ran out of space, at the median park close by that became the star of that illegal tree planting video. I don't want to hear that. But the truth is that Joey has this sense of raw and unbridled enthusiasm thats elusive to a lot of professionals, says Michael Eason, who runs the Rare Plant Conservation Department at the San Antonio Botanical Garden. Joey travels around the world and takes you on plant walks, with colorful commentary. Makes the turd of, uh, uh, life in modern society easier through a swallow, helps it go down easier. Might just be cooking up carbs, storing it in that tuber and then going dormant for a while. And then, uh, of course these are a couple of mine as well. Well, hopefully people will hear this and, you know, chase down this stuff. World United States United Kingdom Canada Australia South Africa Israel India France Belgium Switzerland. You got to get out of the road. You got a fuzzy stem, you got a fuzzy stem. another adaptation to that, uh, aridity that, that dry climate. And despite his cynical-seeming exterior, Joey finds beauty in all of this, too. As it happens, the particular species of milkweed that Joey wants to find here in South Texas is especially rare. However, the downtime has allowed him to post more videos about botanizing the Bay Area. Here's Joey pointing out a colony of the quarter-sized gray-green buttons in the video he made about the day. While some scientists bristle at Joey's swearing or his abrasive politics, most professional plant lovers recognize that his approach is having an important impact. Theophrastus, a Greek philosopher who first studied with Plato and then became a disciple Meanwhile, across the bay, Tony Santoros Guide to Illegal Tree-Planting debuted. Add to that the threat of invasive buffelgrass, which is fast outcompeting this important little weed. His priority is making habitats, not only leaves and pretty flowers. He's on your level. it's still there. I wasnt going to be able to make it there that day, so I figured I would take it Monday. So a lot of them just kind of look like shit, right. The animal appears sickly and unwell and the man tries to determine if he can catch it and bring it to a rescue center. But also, I grew up knowing guys like that, you know? There's another one just coming up right in the middle of the road, it's a goddamned big prostrata. Gypsum-endemic plants of Southern Utah quell the pain of life in this culturally bleak wasteland., Instead of this myopia, where we view everything through the lens of our own life, botany lets you zoom out and see how the world works and observe these relationships that different organisms have with each other. You get, for instance, a cactus that's native to the Chicago area. Because what better way to understand the guy who created "Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't" than to join him on a hunt for a plant that's a schedule 1 controlled drug? Releasing a coyote pup or a juvenile coyote after rehab as a single animal is not going to achieve a successful outcome.. He would print out papers to read during downtime on the trains. Joey's video from South Texas has some 50,000 views and counting. I bet a bunch of illegal tree planting. I got [the coyote pup] Saturday and I was going to take it Monday on my way back down south to Oakland because I was in northern California, he told TIME. Will: Well, hopefully people will hear this and, you know, chase down this stuff. What do you hope viewers take away from your channel? What he's talking about, if he's speaking directly to you. Oh, what's going on here? And then the YouTube account blew up, which is cool. Do you have any favorite hikes or excursions you recommend in the Chicago area? Kind of a bummer! It's botany 101, mashed up with expletive-laced tirades about consumerist, car-based American culture. Larsen: Joey had always liked railroads. And despite his cynical-seeming exterior, Joey finds beauty in all of this, too. They tried to turn it into a golf course in the 1960s; luckily, that plan failed. It was recently proposed for the Endangered Species list, and is only observed a few dozen times a year in a handful of locations near the Rio Grande. 2018-21; 2010-17; 1999-2009; 1990-99; 1983-90; 1978-83; 1974-77; 1972-1973; Drawings. The fish and wildlife service posted their proposal to put Asclepius prostrata, the plant that he was searching for the day that I shattered him on the endangered species list. What is plant systematics? Perhaps because the accent (and its attendant colloquialisms) has become such a rarity, when it does turn up in a piece of media, people notice which could be one of the reasons why the coyote video has generated so much attention. I'm not trying to harass you. The mannerisms at least among the white people out there were super soft and delicate and kind of passive, with an NPR voice. Then theres his voice: a native Chicagoan, he can sound like hes on an SNL skit about Da Bears. By Saturday morning, the clip more than 6 million views and hundreds of thousands retweets and likes. He keeps a stash of 40 to 50 saplings in his backyard and at a friends nursery, awaiting the next chance to sneak a tree onto a median or into another opportune location. She had nasal discharge and eye discharge and was just covered in parasites. You know, and I just dont want to get bitten. Guerrilla gardener Joey Santore has planted more than 300 trees, encouraging a new appreciation of our habitatand one another. The video captivated peoples hearts and went massively viral, with people applauding Santore for his commitment to trying to help the coyote and loving the thicker than normal Chicago accent that he puts on for his videos. Outsides longstanding literary storytelling tradition comes to life inaudio with features that will both entertain and inform listeners. Santore: The biggest population of it keeps repeatedly getting cleared by a well-intended, albeit somewhat oblivious, road grader. It starts in Chicago, where he was raised by a single mother who was an elementary school teacher. Jesse Will interviewed Joey Santore. He tried going to college, but while he enjoyed learning, it seemed like a waste of time and money since he didn't yet know what he wanted to do. Explore. Santore: And then I realized, I didn't know anything about the country I lived in and it was a big ass country, so why not travel? It's everyone from dope growers to amateur science geeks to viewers who just stumbled onto his YouTube. He's going to take that opportunity to, uh, go drive the vroom vroom around and what the shit, you know, let's keep going. Right now Im in Sonora, Arizona. There's something to be said for keeping something like this around, you know, it's, it's a part of this, this interwoven fabric that supports it, supports the life that's been here for millions of years and is part of the bigger picture. According to the man behind the video Joey Santore, an Oakland-based, self-taught botanist who runs the YouTube channel Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't the pup died two nights after he discovered it in the northern California countryside in June. The penalty, which came . Among Santores fans are plant geeks, outdoor enthusiasts, and cannabis growers who were worm-holed into Santores channel while looking up plant propagation. Then there are people who got sucked in because of one of those viral videos. The self-taught botanist sounds off on going viral, preserving the natural world, and the story behind that accent. Santore: They planted a lot of these roses, which are dying and they planted a bunch of trees that are native to the Eastern U.S. I think it's kind of risky. Larsen: I first learned about Joey a few years ago, in a video titled "Guide to Illegal Tree Planting," which was sent my way by a friend familiar with my affinity for both botany and what's known as "guerilla gardening." The attention is somewhat unwanted. You can hit the Explore button [in. ] Might just be cooking up carbs, storing it in that tuber and then going dormant for a while. He tried going to college, but while he enjoyed learning, it seemed like a waste of time and money since he didn't yet know what he wanted to do. Allying with Nature to Regenerate our Living Planet, Perhaps our favorite botanist to watch and learn from, Joey Santore offers us a bit of a different spin on the world of botany with his informative and hilarious (often PG-13) YouTube channel. The first steps to learning more is realizing your own ignorance, and then being willing to work beyond that. But Joey has his own reasons for loving the plant, chiefly its incredible diversity -- there are hundreds of species of milkweed in North America alone -- and unusual flower morphology, laden with abundant nectar and distinctive pollen structures. Today I'm here to answer your plant questions via Twitter. I love getting people excited about these things I've seen. Unfortunately, it seems this particular coyote pup may have already had something wrong with it when Santore stumbled upon it. Santore: Being, uh, important members of the natural ecosystem, you know, you don't want to see them, uh, get, get smacked. And they did find some. I want to share themand [talk about] what a tragedy it is that people don't know this stuff is here. don't you dare rattle that fucking thing at me. and the majority of the day, we're looking for this rare milkweed Asclepias prostrata. The way my mind works, I just obsessed on fix that on something I probably got fucking add or some sort of neurological disorder, you know, that at one point served our species of evolutionary benefit. I believe you; I believe youre so tough., Guy with thick chicago accent helps coyote pup pic.twitter.com/RJB9sqkrxl. Like I just got really excited when I would read about this stuff. Larsen: This video went viral when Joey posted it back in 2019, but venomous snakes are not his typical beat. That was just the revelation then that God, I don't know shit. Released on 03/11/2022. You know, maybe not being seen for, for God knows how long. It was about 2 p.m. and hot out and coyotes, I rarely see them out during the day. 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Will: It's a real weird cross section of people that are watching this stuff, it's like people that are propagating weed and they got like maybe a little bit more interested in plants than just weed, you know, they want to know more about it. Well, first off, I'm not really trying to create YouTube fluff. You can hit the Explore button [iniNaturalist] and see what grows around you and then just start learning plants by family and genus, which is how they're all grouped together. Okay. Joey Santore Oakland, California Favorite Activities For his part, Santore says that while he understands why the Department of Fish and Wildlife recommends avoiding direct contact with wild animals, he feels there can be extenuating circumstances. Uh, he has one that says plant milkweed or get fucked. But he also had this aside at the time, that was like, I get it, yeah of course you had to pitch the psychedelic angle. Subscribe for free today! Warning: The video above contains graphic language. Joey is standing in the middle of a road in Central California, filming with his phone as he has a heart-to-heart with a very distressed looking Northern Pacific rattlesnake. Larsen: In other words, as the ecosystems around us erode under humanity's touch, understanding the ways they fit together is more crucial than ever. Larsen: Which is to say: sometimes what it takes to get us to give a shit about the natural world is a foul-mouthed amateur scientist. Most of the prairies have been destroyed, but there's still these little islands left that people can go check out. When Joey Santore went searching for a biological "origin story" of sorts, he stumbled into the world of botany. There's another one just coming up right in the middle of the road, it's a goddamned big prostrata. And even more specifically, conifers. "Mailing out stickers. Write to Megan McCluskey at megan.mccluskey@time.com. 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